Curse

payne · Mar 14, 2009, 05:12 PM // 17:12

wondering what peoples' opinions are on making [warriors endurance] a stance instead of a skill?

would alter the "abuse" of this skill as highlighted recently by others who reckon (and I agree) this skill is overpowered with an insane energy gain when used with [frenzy]

thoughts?

lord of all tyria · Mar 14, 2009, 05:23 PM // 17:23

It was a stance before, so no one ran it. It becomes unusable pretty much.

zelgadissan · Mar 14, 2009, 05:28 PM // 17:28

Personally I think 2 energy each time you hit and a lower cap on the max energy limit would do just fine, something like 3..11..13. If you want to just spam Power and Protector's you'd have to sit on zealous.

No argument here with just straight killing it though.

payne · Mar 14, 2009, 05:32 PM // 17:32

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Originally Posted by zelgadissan

Personally I think 2 energy each time you hit and a lower cap on the max energy limit would do just fine, something like 3..11..13. If you want to just spam Power and Protector's you'd have to sit on zealous.

No argument here with just straight killing it though.

no straight kill in PvE plz...my Koss runs it lol (gogo hero AI)

PvP wise....idea of capping it at the same as your str att? 12 at strength12 - 14 at strength 14?
maybe ?!

also make it maybe 0-10 strength you get 1 energy 11-12 you get 2 energy 13-16 you get 3 energy???

thoughts plz

Evil Eye · Mar 14, 2009, 05:50 PM // 17:50

I think you fags should stop bitchin' all the time.

Morgan Crowe · Mar 14, 2009, 05:56 PM // 17:56

Well, Warrior's Endurance in his current state is too strong, but if you make this skill a stance it's done like smiter's boon.

If you want to make it a stance then please add a 25% speed boost so you can compare it to battle rage. So it's your decision whether you run a bar with an interrupt or with protector's. Warrior's Endurance wouldn't be that great without protector's btw. It's probably the strongest spikeskill in history! Each 140 protector's makes a girl shiver.

payne · Mar 14, 2009, 06:38 PM // 18:38

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Originally Posted by Evil Eye

I think you fags should stop bitchin' all the time.

your an IDIOT

this is a serious discussion about it and I wanted peoples inputs on it....
so why would you comment if you have nothing helpful to say???

have a decent opinion of GTFOKTHXBAI

this isn't a rant I don't play war so I don't care really but was interested with what others thought about it becoming a stance to remove its current overpowered state

*cough*trolls fail*cough*

opinions plz peeps

Commander Kanen · Mar 14, 2009, 06:47 PM // 18:47

To be honest, its good the way it is, its not overpowerd. you already need high strength to keep it up always.

And it used your Elite Slot.

So to sum up. Its a very balenced skill. leave it be !

Divinus Stella · Mar 14, 2009, 07:44 PM // 19:44

People who think its balanced need to go back to PvE.

The reason it wasnt used before is because power attack and protectors had longer cooldowns, power attack also took a huge damage buff at some point.

To fix it the duration would need to be reduced or the energy gain lowered.

Its not as bad as PR was but its still to good.

distilledwill · Mar 14, 2009, 08:05 PM // 20:05

I think bumping up the PvP recharge of protectors' and power attack will be enough of a nerf to the build, plus those skills are only used as they can be spammed over and over.

I dont think the /D version or the hammer version of the WE build is overpowered and so this wouldnt be too much of a hit.

Hanging Man · Mar 14, 2009, 08:35 PM // 20:35

when WE was a stance it never saw any play at all.

So please leave as is.

Apok Omen · Mar 14, 2009, 08:36 PM // 20:36

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Originally Posted by Bong Bro Zac

i wish more or the users of this site used this advice ... if someone is using a tactic that is kickin your ass...use it against them... its because of all your whining the skills are as unbalenced as they are...its is a balenced skill just other warrior elites SUCK...they should be buffed not nerfed.... there are pve-only skills that are better than elite skills... Ex. YMLAD>headbutt always

I forgot that you could use [you move like a dwarf!] in PvP.

Seriously, PvE references are useless when discussing the overpoweredness of skill used in PvP. [warriors endurance] allows [power attack] and [protectors strike] to be spammed with no limitations. Basically, a Warrior can spike for +80 damage every 4 seconds, which is what the real issue is.

If it becomes a stance, then yes, it would be used a lot less. I can think of no other way to balance it besides increasing the recharge of [power attack] and [protectors strike] to 7-8 seconds. Increasing the recharge on [warriors endurance] will kill it; If you touch the energy gain on it, it will still be used at same frequency; decreasing the duration will simply slow down the frequency of the spikes, but not by much.

Tab · Mar 14, 2009, 08:37 PM // 20:37

Nerfing Prot Strike and Power Attack would be dumb, they're fine outside of WE builds. If making it back into a stance is undesirable, lowering the duration so it has 50% or so uptime at 13 str would be a possibility.

zling · Mar 14, 2009, 08:47 PM // 20:47

as said above, reverting [warrior's endurance] back to being a stance will just kill the skill again. the current problem is 2 fold:
1. [power attack] and [protector's strike] do too much damage and recharge too fast.
2. the huge energy gain of [warrior's endurance] allows constant spamming of the above 2 skills as well as others.

to fix [warrior's endurance] without completely killing the skill ANet should do any of the combination of:
- increasing recharge, so it can't be maintained 100% of the time
- lowering energy gain by a little and perhaps lowering the max energy it can regen up to.
- nerf [power attack] and [protector's strike] a little, a slight damage nerf and/or slight increased recharge will do. not too harshly cause we don't want to kill these 2 skills completely.
- make it a signet/chant/whatever with cast time of say 1 second, to make it interruptible.

Tyla · Mar 14, 2009, 08:53 PM // 20:53

I say: Kill that shit, do it anyway.

Rak Orgon of Beowulf · Mar 14, 2009, 08:53 PM // 20:53

it was a stance and was terrible. i think it needs a little nerfing, but as some others have said, it'd hard to nerf it without either totally killing it, or not doing much.

it also makes more sense with the name of the skill, as a skill. because endurance is a character trait, not a stance lulz.

edit: i think as zling said, if it had some activation time, 3/4 or 1 second, it would help nerf it without totally killing it.

Edwards · Mar 14, 2009, 09:32 PM // 21:32

In my opinion, halve the recharge, and decrease the duration to around 8-10s.

It would still serve its purpose, but would not be quite as effective.

Not sure if that would pull it back down the the level of balanced, but it might be a start.

Evil Eye · Mar 14, 2009, 10:13 PM // 22:13

Nerf every single warrior elite besides Eviscerate and Dev Hammer. Then buff skills like Blinding Surge and Lingering Curse.

kvndoom · Mar 14, 2009, 10:46 PM // 22:46

Does anyone think nerfing it to only give energy when attack -skills- hit would balance it out better?

Commander Kanen · Mar 14, 2009, 11:03 PM // 23:03

the only real way you could nerf it is if you changed it to something like "Way of the Empty Palm"

So something like.. "skill For 10 seconds your Warrior attacks cost no energy" with a recast of say 30 secs. so you can spike still but not constantly